Distant Worlds

[Fyria]

Distant Worlds is happening again next May. Hoping to try and grab tickets when they are released this morning (assuming I'm not stuck on the underground when they are). Anyone else going?

[Fyria]

Gone for Loggia seats nearer the back on the Saturday, to change things up a bit, and since I don't know if there were plans to group buy or anything, assuming not after last time. xD

[Fyria]

Is it me or are most of the seats all between about £70 and £80? There doesn't seem to be a lot of pricing variation to it this year, other than the cheaper circle ones at around £40-something. Basically if you want foot space, you can go pretty much anywhere.

[Fyria]

Did anyone else grab a ticket on the end? Worth knowing who to prod on plans nearer the time. I would have thought there would be some interest.

 

[Fyria]

Apparently there are people going and people are just ignoring me/leaving me out when I'm trying to just open up discussion on anyone wants to do anything for it. Well fine, forget it, no point in trying to organise any plans if people want to go do their own thing.

[Largi]

Sorry I haven't been using the forums due to not really playing WoW atm. 

Lou and I are going on the Saturday along with some other friends. 

Pre-Show nandos as we have the last 4 shows? 

[Fyria]

I do have Hangouts if anyone wants to message me directly about anything to check anything specifically outside of the forums. I'll get back to you on the Nandos, feeling a bit hurt right now that I'm being excluded from things and no one was responding to say anything when I was seeing if people were around to maybe make plans with or sort out seat things with. I've not been on Discord in months because things were never really resolved issue-wise for me and this hasn't helped so whatever.

[Largi]

The intention wasn't to hurt. You were literally the first person I tagged in the discord, I didn't know you no longer didn't use it at all..

It looks like we're in a few groups

You/Todd
Me/Lou
Gaz/Lei/Lei'sFFXIVexWoWplayerFriend
Loz/Loz'sBrother

We're spread around the Stalls/Loggia area so hanging out before hand seems the best. We're all doing Saturday though which is good! Just depends how people travelling to London decide to travel. 

[Fyria]

I've said two things on it when I had it installed briefly early on, I've never really used your Discord, outside of that one time we were doing a dungeon over voice. There was maybe a point where I would do someday, but no one changed opinion on anything, so it never really happened. I don't know where this no longer didn't use it came from, I never used it. I still feel unwanted there.

Okay, well, we'll see whether it's worth doing a thing or not.

[Nacey]

Also not sure if Loz actually confirmed if he got tickets in the end?

[Largi]

He hasn't yet 

[Brynneth]

On 12/14/2018 at 5:07 PM, Fyria said:

I've said two things on it when I had it installed briefly early on, I've never really used your Discord, outside of that one time we were doing a dungeon over voice. There was maybe a point where I would do someday, but no one changed opinion on anything, so it never really happened. I don't know where this no longer didn't use it came from, I never used it. I still feel unwanted there.

This is all inside your own head. The guild has one active live chat server which is on Discord and you have been invited to engage with it multiple times. You are the one refusing to. 

Discord is not going away, more people are now using it than use the forums because most of us are on multiple Discord communities so it's just convenient and you can either get over the problem you have with it and come join us like we've been asking or pretend it doesn't exist and further exclude yourself. 

[Fyria]

No one has actually "asked" me, people have only gone on about how what they have there is the best thing in the world and they just have this expectation of everyone should just be there, which just put me off it. I'm on three other Discord channels, but not one person has actually made me feel welcome or not awkward about the idea of being a part of the one that Lei and Nik has/had(?), only that something that some people started being a part of and using before everyone was this amazing thing and everyone was being a bit elitest about it, at least in the way it presented.

People's attitudes towards it with me really upset and angered me, mostly upset me, and there's still part of me that feels really distant and upset because of said attitudes, but no one really cared, everyone just kept arguing that it was the best thing ever and I was being silly, and any chance I would feel comfortable ever being a part of it was severely lowered. I also feel I've lost a whole bunch of friends over it after the arguments last time, so yeah, the chance of me stepping in to join that channel are pretty shaky right now and have been for the past few months. 

I'm not saying I won't ever be on it ever or use it, but it really felt to me like people were being dicks about it before, and it really put me off it and made me feel unwelcome there. Whether or not people were trying to be, I don't know, but that's the way it comes across.

[Fyria]

For me, it's a little sad that so many people have stopped using the forums though or don't check it anymore. I shall refrain from trying to help or plan something here in the future. Enjoy the concert.

[Brynneth]

Like, I don't understand where the fuck the idea that there is some elitist Discord clique is coming from. 

Lei thought it would be cool to have a guild Discord server like they were in for FF so would be easier to talk to people while at work and so... went and created one for us and gave everyone the link. People joined, or didn't - I seem to recall you saying that you weren't interested in using a "more buggy Slack" - and it just sort of rattled along with a few people chatting and sharing shit, griping about work, being shocked at plot developments in FFXIV questlines, whatever.

After a whole year had passed, where virtually everyone in the guild was now using this Discord server, a couple of us mooted the idea of the guild using it for Voice Comms permanently since that would be something which Todd would no longer be burdened with managing. And then suddenly The Drama occurred. Which I still don't understand why it was such a fuss, over what is at the end of the day a goddamn voice/chat program. The idea that it could be anything to lose friends over is making me want to scream in frustration. We're all fucking grown-ups with careers and in some cases now kids and shit and we're getting fractious over an application? I'm done. 

[Fyria]

It feels that no one wants me there and it's probably just easier to leave it that way then. People were ganging up on me when I was trying to work out ways with Todd to solve some of the issues I had with it, and I was also upset about the way people were pushing Discord early on and the way it felt really cliquey at the beginning. 

If I ever genuinely feel that anyone actually wants me to join the Discord club, then I'll actually consider joining, but last time not a single person wanted to message me and talk about it and just wanted to continue the ganging up in argument.

Yes we are adults with a job and some of us kids, and it would been nice to have been treating with some fucking respect early on with regards to the issues I was having with it, rather than being pushed away. At the time is was very disheartening and yes, I do feel like people have pushed me away in the guild because people don't like me and the way I mentally deal with things sometimes, which is fair I guess and if that's the attitude people want to have then we'll all be stuck at this impass.

[Fyria]

But yes, we're going around in circles with this, so whatever. I'm not on it, nobody cares, end of.

[Kryton]

It is quite hard to fathom how you could misinterpret or misunderstand quite so many things or make so many incorrect statements in one forum thread. I hate to apply logic to a situation (that's a lie) but here we go.

On 12/14/2018 at 3:07 PM, Fyria said:

Apparently there are people going and people are just ignoring me/leaving me out when I'm trying to just open up discussion on anyone wants to do anything for it. Well fine, forget it, no point in trying to organise any plans if people want to go do their own thing.

The conversation on this topic began in Discord before you started this thread. Nik made efforts to include you by tagging both Todd and you in the thread and was unaware that you would not see that. Quite apart from the fact that he did not know, Todd knew about the conversation and engaged in it so every effort was being made to include you. The fact that those involved had not seen this thread in the 7 hours you went from posting to throwing all your toys out of the pram is not an insult or rudeness or whatever other slight you feel it may portray. Most people are not on here 24/7.

3 hours ago, Fyria said:

No one has actually "asked" me, people have only gone on about how what they have there is the best thing in the world and they just have this expectation of everyone should just be there, which just put me off it. I'm on three other Discord channels, but not one person has actually made me feel welcome or not awkward about the idea of being a part of the one that Lei and Nik has/had(?), only that something that some people started being a part of and using before everyone was this amazing thing and everyone was being a bit elitest about it, at least in the way it presented.

People's attitudes towards it with me really upset and angered me, mostly upset me, and there's still part of me that feels really distant and upset because of said attitudes, but no one really cared, everyone just kept arguing that it was the best thing ever and I was being silly, and any chance I would feel comfortable ever being a part of it was severely lowered. I also feel I've lost a whole bunch of friends over it after the arguments last time, so yeah, the chance of me stepping in to join that channel are pretty shaky right now and have been for the past few months. 

I'm not saying I won't ever be on it ever or use it, but it really felt to me like people were being dicks about it before, and it really put me off it and made me feel unwelcome there. Whether or not people were trying to be, I don't know, but that's the way it comes across.

You have been invited to join multiple times by multiple people so the first point is entirely untrue. The whole drama thread shows people trying to get you to join in but you were too wrapped up in whatever was going on in your head to acknowledge that. I don't understand what you're talking about with people's attitude towards you. Most people involved in the conversation wanted to move voice to Discord (which didn't happen because of your objections so we all went with you) and text chat had already transitioned over organically. Other people not sharing your opinion is not them being dicks to you, it's just a difference of opinion. Once again, you are misinterpreting what is happening.

1 hour ago, Fyria said:

It feels that no one wants me there and it's probably just easier to leave it that way then. People were ganging up on me when I was trying to work out ways with Todd to solve some of the issues I had with it, and I was also upset about the way people were pushing Discord early on and the way it felt really cliquey at the beginning. 

If I ever genuinely feel that anyone actually wants me to join the Discord club, then I'll actually consider joining, but last time not a single person wanted to message me and talk about it and just wanted to continue the ganging up in argument.

Yes we are adults with a job and some of us kids, and it would been nice to have been treating with some fucking respect early on with regards to the issues I was having with it, rather than being pushed away. At the time is was very disheartening and yes, I do feel like people have pushed me away in the guild because people don't like me and the way I mentally deal with things sometimes, which is fair I guess and if that's the attitude people want to have then we'll all be stuck at this impass.

People were not ganging up on you it's just that everyone else had one opinion and you had the other. People tried to talk to you about it and all we got in response was a load of hyperbole about how mean we all are.

If you look at what happened, everything kicked off so we delayed using Discord for raiding to give you and Todd a chance to look into what was bothering you. Literally not a single thing on Discord was changed over the following three weeks and you didn't attend raid either. Since then the raids have been done on TS so basically you got exactly what you wanted out of the whole thing.

Now that is the logically part of picking about your factually incorrect posts over, time for the last bit.

I've had enough of this ridiculous emotional bullshit that you randomly spout on the forums without warning. We all have to tip-toe around you because you might blow up over a tiny little thing at any moment. Just look at what a nice, easy, relaxed conversation about a concert has turned into (see whole thread above here) for absolutely no reason and it is all because you are seemingly incapable of going through a rational thought process.

I'm going to post this one more time in the hope that it will get through (because god-knows the other dozen attempts made by me and others have fallen on deaf ears).

• THERE IS NO DISCORD CLIQUE
• THERE IS NO ATTEMPT TO EXCLUDE YOU
• NO-ONE IS GANGING UP ON YOU
• YOU ARE IMAGINING EVERYTHING AND PISSING EVERYONE OFF IN THE PROCESS SO FUCKING STOP IT

 

[Tim]

Mark is correct. We want you to join in on discord and we’ve kept the chat on TS in light of your voice issues

[Fyria]

I'll address more later after food, but the voice chat was entirely separate with separate issues, I have opted to use it, although there are technical difficulties with the delay there and a hit if an annoying quality drop which bothers Todd more, I have suggested that I can just not transmit for Discord, but that was an entirely separate discussion and I haven't had the same issues with the voice coms as I have with people and the chat, and have been willing to use it if that's what people insist on. Voice argument has nothing to do with socialising on it as a general chat platform.

[Fyria]

1 hour ago, Tim said:

Mark is correct. We want you to join in on discord and we’ve kept the chat on TS in light of your voice issues

This is a proper first, and I actually appreciate this notion. Not sure Mark and Gaz feel the same right now though, since I think they'd rather avoid the drama involved if I were over there, but thanks Tim.

[Dave]

Sorry if it wasn't explicity said but you've always been welcome on discord. Also staying away isn't necessary

[Fyria]

Mark, you're not factually picking apart anything for me, it's a perception thing, people can say that I'm welcome, but that's not the same as feeling welcome, people giving me spack about things and guilt tripping me with TS makes me feel less welcome there and that people don't really want me there. Also I don't think I've ever actually been invited over in any concrete terms, so it feels more like people don't really want me to join Discord, but want to take the high horse in saying that someone else did so somewhere, and make sure I feel bad enough that I wouldn't want to be there.

In the previous conversations we've had on it, it DOES feel like I'm being ganged up, just because you don't see it that way doesn't mean I don't feel it that way, especially when everyone is trying to tell me that how I feel is wrong and no one wants to actually talk to me about it properly, I even reached out to ask if someone could just talk to me one on one about it to break down and talk through issues, but people seemed to prefer to go on about stuff at me all together in the same place, so whatever.

Regarding voice, which is a separate conversation, as far as was mentioned, most people didn't have strong feelings either way as far as it seamed, we had some technical issues, no one seemed to have technical or strong issues towards doing just Discord, so we ended up back on TS for voice. If you're going to claim this was my win as a result and try to hang something that appeared to be sorted on me because somehow now it's my fault everyone can't use the other voice option, then fine, do that, if there are strong arguments for using Discord that haven't been mentioned, we can go back to using that and I'll deal with a workaround, done. Or if I'm that much of a bother, I can just uninvolved myself from group and raid content, would that make things better for you? It feels like it. You're saying that I'm being told that I'm welcome but making it obvious at the same time that I'm not just seems to be the way it is.

[Fyria]

2 minutes ago, Dave said:

Sorry if it wasn't explicity said but you've always been welcome on discord. Also staying away isn't necessary

Thanks Dave, let me just cool down about it all for a bit and I'll have a chat with Todd, I'm getting a lot of mixed messages/impressions right now so it might be worth letting me clear my head a bit before I think about anything. 10 minutes ago I would have said that Mark and Gaz may have made it a deal breaker to ever feel like it was okay to join. It's hard because the whole situation has me feeling very upset and all I can see from this side is that people are just telling me that I shouldn't be feeling the way I'm feeling, which just makes me feel more upset and like I've lost people/friends.

[Buachalla]

Nobody here was personally invited, at least not any guild members. I threw up a post, I talked about in /g chat, if people asked I gave them a link. I'm not going to treat anyone special.