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Making a new thread so I can give it a good op. I'm not advertising the game here, everyone knows what EVE is and whether they are interested in it. There are some of us playing it in Goonfleet, so if you do suddenly find your with the urge to fly ships in space feel free to join us and we'll see if we can sort out a sponsorship for you.

Characters

Cowbie:

Dan: Xinglon

James: Alchenar

Iso: Lustriga

Mark: Teorino Kanenald

Todd: Nacey

Tom: Dangphat

(Who have I forgotten?)

Some of us also have empire/trade alts but you don't really need those, contact people on Jabber/Steam/whatever if you don't see them online.

Wiki

Goons have the best wiki in the game. Although it isn't universally up to date, it's generally full of great information. If you want to know something, look there first, it will probably answer your question.

Jabber

Get on Jabber. Get on Jabber. Get on Jabber. Just get on Jabber okay? I cannot say this enough. All ops are announced on Jabber, everything from huge strat op fleets through to nano gang roams. If you're not on Jabber, you won't know about things happening and you'll think the game is terrible. Set Jabber to load with you PC and always be logged in.

The recommended Jabber client is Pidgin, the Wiki has guides for setting it (and other clients) up correctly.

We have our own Jabber room to hang out in named trouble_or_bee, join it.

Politics

The politics of EVE is a vast and complicated subject which I cannot properly do justice here. Since we live in nullsec, this is what you really need to know:

If it's not blue, shoot it.

If it is blue, optionally shoot it anyway

Out major enemies right now are Northern Coalition (NCDot), Evoke, Raiden, Pandemic Legion (PL) and probably some stupid guys that I forgot.

Our leader is The Mitanni, who was recently removed from the CSM (player council who provide feedback to the devs) and handed a one-month in-game ban for telling everyone on a live Fanfest (EVE's Blizzcon) broadcast to harrass some guy so that he would kill himself. Oops.

Skills

We recommend following the 60 Day Plan which you will have full access to once you join. This plan will take you through a number of newbie friendly ships which fill different roles to give you a taste of each and help you decide what you want to fly in future. If you get partway through it and find a ship that you really love, feel free to deviate from the plan to focus on that.

Here's the start to get your going:

1. Cybernetics I (22 minutes, 23 seconds; 75,000 ISK)
2. Minmatar Frigate I (15 minutes, 52 seconds; 40,000 ISK)
3. Minmatar Frigate II (1 hour, 13 minutes, 56 seconds)
4. Small Projectile Turret I (7 minutes, 56 seconds; 20,000 ISK)
5. Small Projectile Turret II (36 minutes, 59 seconds)
6. Minmatar Frigate III (6 hours, 58 minutes, 7 seconds)
7. Energy Grid Upgrades I (14 minutes, 55 seconds; 79,000 ISK)
8. Energy Grid Upgrades II (1 hour, 9 minutes, 31 seconds)
9. Hull Upgrades I (14 minutes, 55 seconds; 60,000 ISK)
10. Propulsion Jamming I (22 minutes, 23 seconds; 150,000 ISK)
11. Afterburner I (6 minutes, 50 seconds; 22,500 ISK)
12. Missile Launcher Operation I (7 minutes, 56 seconds; 20,000 ISK)
13. Missile Launcher Operation II (36 minutes, 59 seconds)
14. Standard Missiles I (15 minutes, 52 seconds; 20,000 ISK)
15. Rockets I (7 minutes, 56 seconds; 10,000 ISK)
16. Afterburner II (31 minutes, 55 seconds)
17. Afterburner III (3 hours, 24 seconds)
18. High Speed Maneuvering I (34 minutes, 14 seconds; 340,000 ISK)
19. Small Projectile Turret III (3 hours, 29 minutes, 2 seconds)
20. Mechanic III (3 hours, 16 minutes, 34 seconds)
21. Survey I (7 minutes, 27 seconds; 36,000 ISK)
22. Survey II (34 minutes, 46 seconds)
23. Survey III (3 hours, 16 minutes, 34 seconds)
24. Salvaging I (22 minutes, 23 seconds; 1,000,000 ISK)
25. Salvaging II (1 hour, 44 minutes, 16 seconds)
26. Salvaging III (9 hours, 49 minutes, 45 seconds)
27. Destroyers I (15 minutes, 52 seconds; 100,000 ISK)
28. Hull Upgrades II (1 hour, 9 minutes, 31 seconds)
29. Shield Upgrades I (14 minutes, 55 seconds; 84,000 ISK)
30. Tactical Shield Manipulation I (29 minutes, 51 seconds; 210,000 ISK)
31. Energy Systems Operation I (7 minutes, 27 seconds; 40,000 ISK)
32. Energy Systems Operation II (34 minutes, 46 seconds)
33. Targeting I (7 minutes, 27 seconds; 100,000 ISK)
34. Targeting II (34 minutes, 46 seconds)
35. Energy Management I (22 minutes, 23 seconds; 170,000 ISK)
36. Energy Management II (1 hour, 44 minutes, 16 seconds)
37. Signature Analysis I (7 minutes, 27 seconds; 75,000 ISK)
38. Signature Analysis II (34 minutes, 46 seconds)
39. Evasive Maneuvering I (13 minutes, 41 seconds; 25,000 ISK)
40. Evasive Maneuvering II (1 hour, 3 minutes, 48 seconds)
41. Acceleration Control I (27 minutes, 23 seconds; 40,000 ISK)
42. Acceleration Control II (2 hours, 7 minutes, 35 seconds)
43. Warp Drive Operation I (6 minutes, 50 seconds; 30,000 ISK)
44. Warp Drive Operation II (31 minutes, 55 seconds)
45. Shield Management I (22 minutes, 23 seconds; 170,000 ISK)
46. Shield Management II (1 hour, 44 minutes, 16 seconds)
47. Fuel Conservation I (13 minutes, 41 seconds; 30,000 ISK)
48. Fuel Conservation II (1 hour, 3 minutes, 48 seconds)
49. Energy Systems Operation III (3 hours, 16 minutes, 34 seconds)
50. Energy Management III (9 hours, 49 minutes, 45 seconds)
51. Weapon Upgrades I (15 minutes, 52 seconds; 80,000 ISK)
52. Weapon Upgrades II (1 hour, 13 minutes, 56 seconds)
53. Destroyers II (1 hour, 13 minutes, 56 seconds)
54. Jury Rigging I (14 minutes, 55 seconds; 60,000 ISK)
55. Jury Rigging II (1 hour, 9 minutes, 31 seconds)
56. Jury Rigging III (6 hours, 33 minutes, 9 seconds)
57. Astronautics Rigging I (22 minutes, 23 seconds; 20,000 ISK)
58. Caldari Frigate I (15 minutes, 52 seconds; 40,000 ISK)
59. Caldari Frigate II (1 hour, 13 minutes, 56 seconds)
60. Caldari Frigate III (6 hours, 58 minutes, 7 seconds)
61. Trade I (9 minutes, 48 seconds; 20,000 ISK)
62. Trade II (45 minutes, 41 seconds)
63. Social I (8 minutes, 28 seconds; 20,000 ISK)
64. Infomorph Psychology I (9 minutes, 48 seconds; 1,000,000 ISK)
65. Infomorph Psychology II (45 minutes, 41 seconds)
Get EVEMon so that you can plan and track your training outside of the game (install it at work if you are cool):

http://evemon.battleclinic.com/

Ships

There are lots of different ships you can fly and it really depends on what role and what kind of ship you find fun. Roughly speaking there are three general roles that you can get into quickly as a newbie. In brackets is an example of a ship progression that you might follow in that role, but they aren't the only ways to do it.

Tackling: Stop enemy ships from warping away and slow them down so that our fleet can kill them. (Rifter -> Stiletto -> Sabre)

ECM: Prevent enemy ships from targeting anything, protecting our fleet. (Griffin -> Blackbird -> Scorpion)

Damage: Speaks for itself, blow shit up. (Thrasher -> Tornado -> Maelstrom)

There are many different specialised ships within these roles and also some other advanced roles that you can reach later such as Logisitcs (healers) and capitals. The Wiki has lots more info and you can ask about stuff.

As a newbie you can get as many free frigates as you want from the gs_frigates channel in game. Follow the instructions at the top of the channel, and please leave once you have your ship as the room as a member cap. You can also ask me directly and I will grab you some. These ships are dirt cheap for the alliance to produce so do not ever worry about losing too many. We actually like seeing newbies asking for more as it means they are playing the game and taking part in fleets. We have hundreds of them fitted and waiting for you to lose. You can also always request these, even once you can fly other stuff. We usually give them out four-at-a-time, feel free to ask for more when you're down to your last one.

Squads

Because Goonswarm is rather huge, there are a number of smaller squads which are based around a certain location, niche, gimmick, or similar. You'll probably end up joining a few of these. The main one you want to be in to start with is European Goonion since that is where you will find the majority of our EU-timezone players and ops. Look in Boot Camp for intro threads from some of the other newbie-suitable squads and feel free to jump into anything you like the sound of.

Location

We are currently based out of VFK-IV in Deklein, generally just known as VFK. Join goons, get in VFK, grab frigates, have fun.

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I keep being tempted to play Eve, mostly due to my nostalgia for games like Elite, Privateer and Freelancer...

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I keep being tempted to play Eve, mostly due to my nostalgia for games like Elite, Privateer and Freelancer...

Well if you want me to sponsor you and Sarah, give me a shout.

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Ok, so i'm reading about tackling given thats the fleet-esque ship-config\type I can fly at the moment, and I'm seeing something about "Zig-Zagging" to increase your angular velocity and make you harder to hit on approch.

I get why - I don't get how.

When is someone from here next likley to do something in game? Much as I appreciate that these randoms are all likley willing to help me whilever I can take being mocked at the same time, I'd still rather not go in cold.

Why is there no market button in VFK despite there being a market?

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Go to the newbie zone in the Goonfleet forums and get a PI pack.

It's been pretty goonrushed and the market is sinking, but 5 planets of PI for me is generating around 80-90m isk a week for about an hour's work total. As a newbie that'll keep you in the ships you are actually skilled to fly right up until you get your first ratting ship. Seriously, it's easy money, which is important because you are in 0.0 now and your PVE options are the equivalent of a level 5 character who's hopped on the zepplin to Northrend.

Dan: 1. Just double click somewhere in space to manually aim your ship.

2. Get on jabber whenever you are 'free' to play and watch out for Frigate/Homeland defence ops. Just join up cold and explain that you are in your first fleet and have no idea what you are doing. Nobody will mock you.

Actually people might mock you because it's you, but we can't fix that ;)

3. There is a market in VFK you probably just managed to break your UI somehow. All the default buttons can be found if you click on the button at the very top left of the screen.

Finally, I'll run a gatecamp OP next weekend? We'll go somewhere, set up camp, and then die horribly to Russians.

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Also as well as EVEmon you'll want to use Eve Fitting Tool (EFT): https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24359

Similar to EVEmon you plug in your character API and then it lets you fiddle about with ship fittings without having to buy the stuff first to see if you can use it. It is good for showing you want modules actually do in raw number terms as well as giving you a better appreciation of what difference skills do (for example, you can see what difference another rank of shield operation does to your tank, or how long your Capacitor will last with everything running, or whether you need a Powerplant upgrade to fit everything in).

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Final tip: (Todd maybe just roll all this stuff into the OP and delete these posts) generally don't buy stuff in VFK unless it's Blackbirds. There's a big effort to improve importing of the stuff people need on a regular basis but it's still getting off the ground and VFK is subject to a 10-15% markup over Jita prices.

The best way to buy anything that actually costs money is to create an alt (don't spend a second of training time on him), fly him to Jita and use him as an effective free jumpclone to buy stuff off the market for you. Ship it to VFK using Padded Helmets (you'll find details in S-Mart).

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Also always give your market alt a hilarious name like Jewin Forrisk.

When is someone from here next likley to do something in game? Much as I appreciate that these randoms are all likely willing to help me whilever I can take being mocked at the same time, I'd still rather not go in cold.
People won't mock you. They might laugh at something you say/do but if you say that you are new they will most likely shower you with ISK and answer your questions, especially if it's a small/casual op. Having said that, I could join something tonight if something pops up on Jabber. Or at worst I can fly you and/or Mark around for a bit and teach you the basics of fleets, travel, gates, jump bridges, comms, etc. All of that would only take ~30-45mins and would put you in a good place to turn up to random stuff without feeling totally helpless.

Now that Eurogoons are properly active, it's a greatime to be a Euronewbee compared to how it was two years ago. There are nice people who will help you and they are actually online at the same time as you! I also feel that people are generally being a bit less FYAD (a terrible forum for sanctioned bad posting on SA) these days which is nice.

Also feel free to make a thread in Boot Camp with your questions. None of us here are amazing experts in the game and it's good to get other opinions too. As long as you post in generally coherent English nobody will mock you in Boot Camp even for asking the dumbest questions, that's the whole idea. You may get told to read the wiki though, if the info is on there.

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Todd - If you could that be good. I don't like learning from people that I have no clue who are. As much as everyone says "just jump in, they'll be fine with it" its not them I worry about, its ME. I just have an aversion to doing things that way.

EVEFit is something im yet to play with, Jabber is set up, but I haven't really played with it enough to know how to use it. Theres an awful lot of information to soak and some of it contradicts which isn't helpful.

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Characters

Cowbie:

Goonswarm: Monster Weasel

Pubbie: Roxana Darkstar

Todd - If you could that be good. I don't like learning from people that I have no clue who are. As much as everyone says "just jump in, they'll be fine with it" its not them I worry about, its ME. I just have an aversion to doing things that way.

EVEFit is something im yet to play with, Jabber is set up, but I haven't really played with it enough to know how to use it. Theres an awful lot of information to soak and some of it contradicts which isn't helpful.

Jabber is easy once you know what you're doing. First couple of times it's confusing as fuck,but all you have to do is join a chat channel.

Which information is contradicting?

Also, goons are actually awesome and they will teach you things. Yes, you might feel like a complete idiot but they're cool with that and they'll help you. I posted on the forums that I felt bad having blown up about 8 rifters and they gave me a nice, in depth post explaining that this in no way hinders them at all. In fact, they'd have to lose something like 200 rifters every minute for the next 3 years to actually have any problems.

Edited by Cowbie

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Oh god that post, I saw it somewhere, or the numbers were referenced since. Someone actually calculated the estimated goon GDP and then converted it into Rifers per minute.

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Oh god that post, I saw it somewhere, or the numbers were referenced since. Someone actually calculated the estimated goon GDP and then converted it into Rifers per minute.

The best part about that were the "Yikes, that's a big number. Challenge accepted, let's do it, Goons" posts.

Goonswarm could purchase approximately 2.4 million rifters per month with our total revenue. To not have enough money for rifters goons would need to lose about one rifter each second for an entire month.

followed by:

Sounds like a challenge

Truly the most glorious times for Goonwaffe

I bet we could do it

Clearly what we should do is create a massive permanent debris field around Mittaningrad

Edited by Cowbie

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To: The Honda Accord,

So coward blimp ego mittens hired similar coward to destroy our POSs in Illamur. To give you an idea of how screwed up this is in the context of Eve, the allinace hired was Pandemic Legion, what is where the head of the CSM lives, so we are littlerally being attacked by the CSM. Basically Eve is beyond broken. CCP is actually totally supportive of goons and ganking, they think of it as player content. They encourage and support hulkagedon! They actually laugh about miner tears. Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year.

So what does BEEP become during the occupation? First, we hunt these bastards! They don't take us seriously! We have ships, guns and motivation. Goons in high sec are a joke! We make that clear to them.

We help drive the tide to take Eve back.

More about that soon, but players like us are the majority and we are fed up!! Let's take out game back!! Time for the bullies to have some of that sand that always like to talk about to be kicked in their face!

So let me know what you think, where is the future for us?

Issler

This is why Mittens tells people to kill themselves,

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I think it was pointed out earlier' date=' but NPCs essentially tank x damage. If they tank 300dps and you do 350dps, then your effective dps is only 50. Adding a second 350dps drake isn't doubling your killing speed, it would be increasing it by 700%. This is why high dps is so effecting while ratting.

Eve thread just pointed out why we should Rat in groups and not individually.

Edited by Alchenar

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What sort of thing will I need to solo-rat?

I designed this:

[Thrasher, Dan's Design]

Damage Control II

[empty low slot]

Upgraded 1MN MicroWarpdrive I

Small Shield Booster I

Small Shield Booster I

280mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S

280mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S

280mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S

280mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S

280mm Howitzer Artillery I, EMP S

Salvager I /OFFLINE

Salvager I /OFFLINE

[empty high slot]

[empty rig slot]

[empty rig slot]

[empty rig slot]

But I have no idea how good the tank on rats are... Apparenlty this only pulls 47 dps :S

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So I can't do anything with this character then unless I happen to be on for an op at a time I can stay for, at which point I'm effectivly cannon fodder? So far I've seen one, and we got screwed by a jump bridge malfunction. I'd be better off in empire! At least there I can do missions and shoot really low level things...

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Eve is not a great single player, and you say you have to wait for Ops but there are a number of fleets you can join throughout the day, you just say "Hi I am a newbie do you have space for a rifter?"

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